(4-3-16 10:14 AM)jedi Wrote:  

(4-3-16 2:28 AM)HamdaN Wrote:  if this was a csfl match. sure do what ever u can do negate a mismatch in wr-db skill. but in pug how am i supposed to learn in general what to do vs certain players or practice certain techniques if i dont even get the chance to do it vs a good player for a whole games worth of time??? if they cant even trust me to figure it out in a pug they'll never trust me when it truly maters

/end rant

If this was the NFL

(4-3-16 2:51 PM)Entertainer Wrote:  

(4-3-16 10:14 AM)jedi Wrote:  

(4-3-16 2:28 AM)HamdaN Wrote:  if this was a csfl match. sure do what ever u can do negate a mismatch in wr-db skill. but in pug how am i supposed to learn in general what to do vs certain players or practice certain techniques if i dont even get the chance to do it vs a good player for a whole games worth of time??? if they cant even trust me to figure it out in a pug they'll never trust me when it truly maters

/end rant

If this was the NFL

It's a 5 year old mod (?) on 15 year old game.

(4-3-16 4:19 PM)Jeff. Wrote:  

(4-3-16 2:51 PM)Entertainer Wrote:  

(4-3-16 10:14 AM)jedi Wrote:  

(4-3-16 2:28 AM)HamdaN Wrote:  if this was a csfl match. sure do what ever u can do negate a mismatch in wr-db skill. but in pug how am i supposed to learn in general what to do vs certain players or practice certain techniques if i dont even get the chance to do it vs a good player for a whole games worth of time??? if they cant even trust me to figure it out in a pug they'll never trust me when it truly maters

/end rant

If this was the NFL

It's a 5 year old mod (?) on 15 year old game.

8-9*

(4-3-16 3:40 PM)kc21 Wrote:  Yo can u guys pick me next pug need practice plz am new

(4-3-16 2:24 PM)HamdaN Wrote:  

(4-3-16 6:44 AM)Death Wrote:  

(4-3-16 2:28 AM)HamdaN Wrote:  

(4-2-16 11:13 PM)Jeff. Wrote:  

(4-2-16 12:13 AM)HamdaN Wrote:  harry what your saying is correct, and i have mentioned this months ago in a very similar form.

with that in mind the issue is that every "good" or "pro" player only plays within their own niche. thus why new people will RARELY get any sort of chance in any sort of competitive environment until maybe a few months to a year in when people start recognizing them not for their skill, but their name (familiarity). in terms of "manners" or "bm" i feel like that situation will never be fixed due to the troll nature of the pub server in general. The occasional bm in pug is slightly controversial but thats another tale for another time. Iv accepted that new players will never be helped in this community because of the amount of sudden expectation and bm people throw onto their back instantly. for fuck sake a new kid was even banned by an admin (wont name for the possible backlash because this admins is an unstable fuck) and had to be unbanned by another just because he was unsure of what was going on. Fact also being that the normal player base is too small to fill both the pub and pug at the same time. fuck even starting a pug sometimes is difficult due to having to rely on the same repeating players joining.

For myself every time i pug im either permanently moved on defence to defending a "newer" pug players due to the good players just not trusting me or just being pissed off that some one managed to get behind me even once. on multiple occasions iv been convinced that pug was not going to help me improve for multiple reasons and that working on fundamentals in pub was alot more worth it. So iv decided today that im going to be taking a long break because iv just flat out tilted tons lately from pretty much everything combined, or occasionally play pub so i dont completely rust to shit.

i know this is long but its the truth

I agree with this for the most part. The one thing i dont agree with is the majority of the time you do get switched on defense is yes you mightve let up a touchdown but also because the people on the team see that is just a mismatch in skill level between the wr and db.

if this was a csfl match. sure do what ever u can do negate a mismatch in wr-db skill. but in pug how am i supposed to learn in general what to do vs certain players or practice certain techniques if i dont even get the chance to do it vs a good player for a whole games worth of time??? if they cant even trust me to figure it out in a pug they'll never trust me when it truly maters

/end rant

People wanna win pugs if you wanna learn techniques you gotta get better.

probably the most aids and the most redundant post you could have ever put. my pug win rate has gota be 70+% i dont lose very often in pug. ontop who in the pub is going to teach any one anything when its literally a zoo

(4-4-16 5:12 PM)Record Wrote:  This is a pretty black and white subject imo. The pug server is for competitive play is it not? There is a draft for a reason and there is a pub server. @HamdaN You're right in one aspect, this game has turned into a popularity game alongside skill but what you're missing is half these guys didnt know each other at the start. What makes you so different that you cant do what all of these "pros" did? Im not saying you don't deserve a shot, hell, you know ill pick you in a pug and even though i consider myself to be a high end defender and ill still rush.


Im just saying, think of the pug server as a 1v1 tournament. You start off with people on your level, if you win the first match you'll move on, if you lose then you restart. You have to work up, you can just expect to face the winner/boss on the first match. Sure if you face him enough times you'll learn how to beat him, but thats not getting better, thats just learning their patterns and being predictive of their moves.


Another thing that goes hand in hand with this subject is people complaining that someone new came first therefor they deserve to play in that pug. I used to have to wait 4-5 games before i got into a pug match when i started. I understand that if they dont get picked they'll be discouraged to join again but if they're serious about the mod then they will come back. Wake up people, its the pug server, its for competition, for the better of the players to face each other, not for a high level player to sit out because he came a second too late.